Speaking at the Texas Tribune Festival, Democratic Rep. Donna Howard acknowledged that Republicans have unified around Speaker Dustin Burrows to the point that he “may not need us” to retain the gavel.

The Democratic Minnesota governor and 2024 vice presidential nominee sits down with Jennifer Palmieri, contributing editor at Vanity Fair and co-host of Showtime’s The Circus at 2:30 p.m. Thursday.

At a Texas Tribune Festival event on Thursday, the Beaumont Republican said his opposition to Trump and his agenda informed his decision to give up the speaker’s gavel last year.